You are, as always, correct sir..... my last post was directed at 'liang,' that is to say at his original post that advocated, "dumping" the muslims in xinjang. what could this possibly mean? what practical policy is he suggesting? my apologies for my clumsy posting....

What else could he mean, except the "final solution", to eradicate Islam and followers of Islam from China? He is anti-religion in general, you can say almost as extreme in his atheist anti-religion views as those fundamentalist Christians/Muslims calling for holy war, except in his case, he wants to wipe out all religion. For a man who loathes the Chinese Communist Party for "selling out the Chinese nation".. He's beginning to sound surprisingly like those "filthy chicoms" from the Mao era, bent on wiping out anything contrary to their ideology.

Filthy chicoms from the Mao era?? Give me a break!

it was sarcasm Juche, notice the quotation marks, I thought "filthy chicoms" was a term Liang would use. I've been reading up on these forums for a couple years, and I am familiar with the jargon that some CCP hating forumites might use, e.g. rangzen, liang, and our Indian friends etc etc etc

Xinjiang serves as pan-Asian pivot
By David Gosset


David Gosset is right on every points he made.

China needs to get rid of Soviet style ethnic policy.

The new policy should be regional based instead of "affirmative
action" based on ethnic background.

1) The most important thing is to prevent the spread of
fundamentalist Muslim in Kashgar area. Like in Mideast,
the fundamentalists don't care about economy or social
developments. They are bent to take over the world.

2). China need to build more college and school in these area
(Primarily in XinJiang and Tibet, but also in Yunan, Guangxi,
Guizhou).
It has to get rid of all segregation (as US did). This is best
way to help people understand each other. It needs to do this
starting from elementary schools. The schools in mixed ethnic
area should force bilingual education. All Uyghur students needs to learn mandarin, and vice versa.
This is the only way for Uyghur population to benefit from
economic development.

lemuel wrote:
Liang, how do propose to go about "dumping" the Muslims? Are you going to grant them independence, send them all to the Russian far east, or do you have some more final solution in mind?


Monsoonwind wrote:
I think that is a good question for liang (not anyone else) to answer. I notice in his diatribes against religion liang rabbits on the theme that "all religion ought to be eliminated" while neither proposing a practical way to go about it or personally accepting responsibility for the consequences. His characteristic format approach to the subject is that of the irreponsible intellectual "I do not propose to do the dirtywork myself but would like to see (some unnamed external force) do it for me".

Now come on liang, have the guts to put your balls where your big mouth is!

I have no power to do anything except to give my opinions. But hopefully the pen is mightier than the sword. Obviously few if any at this forum is a patriotic Chinese and so are not favorable to any ideas that would promote the best interests of the Chinese nation. But some patriotic Chinese might see my opinions and together would spread the idea and turn it into a mighty torrent that would wash away the old decayed nonsense that would in the end harm the best Chinese interests.

Ideas such as religions are decayed nonsense that had repeatedly caused China to collapse due to the decline in the vitally in the economic activities of the Chinese people as they withdraw from the real world to their temples to lead lives of idleness as they contemplate their futile nonsense of nonexistent supernatural world. Religions that are organized and directed by foreigners also posed threats to the Chinese national sovereignty. In the end, religions are simply nonsense at best and deadly poisonous at worst. Either way, they should be eradicated as soon as possible. Mao made one of his few solid contribution to China's development by getting rid of most of religions. It is a betrayal of the current day CCP topdogs not only to allow the religions back in but to give them a great deal of dignity and credibility to trick the ordinary Chinese into the deadly religious traps.

How would I as a practical matter "get rid" of religions? I'd immediately withdraw all state support from any religions. I'd certainly not invite any religious people to any state organizations or functions. I'd increase educational emphasis to highlight the false and dangerous nature of religions. I'd increase state prosecution of any religious organization for outright lies such as promising medical miracles or business successes. I'd require any religions to prove the truth of what they preach. If they teach that God created humans, then I'd require them to prove it scientifically. If they can't, then they cannot teach it as scientific facts. If they persist in teaching it as scientific facts, then I'd put them in jail for dangerously misleading the people.

I'd require all religious books to prove their truth or contain disclaimers that they are only stories without proven foundations. Such books as Bibles, Korans, Buddhist sutras must all contain disclaimers that they are merely fanciful stories. Anybody who tried to teach them as truths will be prosecuted as grafters and jailed.

I have no doubt that as soon as the Chinese government demonstrated its determination to expose the dangerous nature of religions, the organized religions will quickly lose its hold on the people and wither away. Of course, the government must increae its education of science so that the students will grow up knowing the real truth of the universe and the place of the humans within it. And so the people will grow up into intelligent humans with love in their heart based on the nurturing of their innate nature of social cooperation that will bring peace on earth. In contrast, religions have only brought bigotry and hatred and wars based on religious differences which nurture racial hatred.

As to "dumping the Muslims" the Chinese should stop supporting the Muslims as a religion as well as supporting the causes of the Muslim peoples. For instance, the Chinese government should stop supporting the Palestinians in their quarrel with the Israelites. The Chinese government should also condemn the infringement on the rights of the Chinese people in Malaysia by the Muslims. In short, the Chinese government should not automatically support the causes of the Muslims simply because they are Muslims. The Chinese government should only support those Muslim causes that will promote the best interests of the Chinese nation.

As to Xinjiang, I'd already posted clearly that the Chinese government should treat the Uygurs fairly and equally so that they can all share in the advancement of the greater Chinese nation. But if the Uygurs still want to secede, then all traitors must be arrested immediately for high treasons and punished accordingly, executed if necessary. Furthurmore, there is no evidence that "all" Uygurs want independence. No more than Texans want independence from the US or Scots want independence from UK. Xinjiang has been part of China since the time of Han Dynasty. It is the Uygurs who are the "illegal aliens" into the Chinese territory.

I've been away for a month, hence the late response. From time to time I might choose not to respond because it has become beating a dead horse. In the past when I got tired of repeating myself many times, I'd say that I will no longer respond.

I will certainly not remain silent because I dare not speak my mind. And if I were wrong, I'd not fear admitting it. Fortunately, it is very rare that I was wrong. On those few occasions I was wrong I quickly admitted it. But as to the evil nature of religions and the stupidity of supporting the Muslims becasue they are Muslims I'm certainly right!!!!!

lemuel wrote:

You are, as always, correct sir..... my last post was directed at 'liang,' that is to say at his original post that advocated, "dumping" the muslims in xinjang. what could this possibly mean? what practical policy is he suggesting? my apologies for my clumsy posting....

Read my head post again. I did not say "dump the Muslims in Xinjiang". I said dump the "Muslims", period. If you want to argue against me, at least read my post first and argue to what I said and not argue against what you thought I said.

Anyway, I've clarified what I'd do to eradicate religions in my posts just ahead of this post.

mashmetoo:

What else could he mean, except the "final solution", to eradicate Islam and followers of Islam from China? He is anti-religion in general, you can say almost as extreme in his atheist anti-religion views as those fundamentalist Christians/Muslims calling for holy war, except in his case, he wants to wipe out all religion. For a man who loathes the Chinese Communist Party for "selling out the Chinese nation".. He's beginning to sound surprisingly like those "filthy chicoms" from the Mao era, bent on wiping out anything contrary to their ideology.

Of course I'm anti-religion. Religions are nothing but stupid nonsense that no intelligent men with a sound education in science would blindly believe in. This is why more and more people in the US and other advanced countries have stopped believing in such nonsense. As Bill Maher said so well, "God is not real but love is real." Or words to that effect. While many religions promote love on the surface yet because they are based on fallacies they cannot keep love pure. Ultimately, religions promote hatred by giving voice to bigotry and innate human fear and clannishness. Therefore, global understanding and cooperation can only come after religions are eradicated.

Religionists are trying to spin the eradication of religions into comparisons with Hitler's final solution of eradicating the Jews by frying them in gas ovens. Hitler was of course evil. Incidentally, Hitler was able to gain the support of the German people for his final solution against the Jews pricisely because of the religious hatred of the German Christians for the Jews. So if mashmetoo wanted to discredit me, he would have been more effective if he had chosen some other example. By choosing Hitler's Holocost of the Jews, he had inadvertently highlighted the evil of religion in promoting heinous wars and racial atrocities. Which proves my point for the need to eradicate religions.

As to my "ideology" I have none other than to promote truth. It is the religionists who are deathly afraid of the truth and must constantly rail and rant against those who want to spread enlightenment. In the end, religions can only thrive in an environment of ignorance, bigotry and fear. Therefore, religions must suppress scientific truth and enlightenment. Religioous truth is an oximoron. Religons and truth are mutually exclusive. And so religions must be eradicated before truth can flower. Religionists can still sanctimoniously condemn atheists as dangerous destabilizers of society. But in time truth will prevail. And future generations of enlightened people will look back to this transition era and marvel at the stupidity of the religions. And it is people like myself who try to promote truth and eradicate religions will ultimately have the satisfaction of benefiting the future of humanity.

People who don't know about the relation of Xinjiang and China should go to the following link and see the map of Han China:

homepages.stmartin.edu/fac_staff/rlangil...%20dynasty%20map.JPG

It clearly shows Xinjiang as part of China.

Of course, the important thing now is that Xinjiang IS part of China's sovereign territory and any Chinese government must defend it or be condemned by the Chinese people.

I have condemned the CCP because it is incompetent, corrupt, and fundamentally wrong in social ideology. But the CCP government must still defend it. And because the CCP government is so incompetent, it is slowing the development of the Chinese nation which causes the Chinese government to be much less able to develop the Xinjiang area as well as not able to defend it militarily against internal traitors and foreign aggressors.

With an enlightened government based on democracy and market economy and private properties, China would be able to develop much faster and be able to deploy amuch more powerful military. And the current problem of Xinjiang separatism would simply disappear in a general rapid rising of wealth and prosperity. So solving the problem of Xinjiang separatism needs a change of the Chinese government from the incompetent CCP to a more efficient democratic Chinese government.