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#172331
Re:You can lead a horse to water 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
We read of Mitchell's return from the ME, where he was apparently unable to get movement on the Obama peace initiative. Apparently Netanyahu won't budge on the nature and extent of his offered compromise on settlements. And Arabs in Palestine won't budge from their stance - that the Jewish State of Israel cannot be allowed to exist.

So that leaves the deal-breakers - those Arab entities that could bring Palestinian Arabs to heel and, by force if necessary, impose an attitude of willingness to work with the Americans to bring about peace.

There is something almost masochistic in the unwillingness of the Arabs to come to the table, all the while watching as the Israelis they hate entrench and prosper. If the Obama team cannot inveigle the Arabs to ditch their anachronistic ways, who can?
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Re:You can lead a horse to water 11 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
Arabs in Palestine continue to be their own worst enemies. Time and again their menfolk reject opportunities for peace, valuing destruction of the Jewish State of Israel over the education and well-being of their women and children. If Rubin is correct, there is no evidence that this is likely to change soon.

www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&...t/JPArticle/ShowFull

"Unfortunately, there isn't at present a Palestinian partner for peace. Fortunately, there is a Palestinian partner for maintaining a relatively peaceful status quo. But if and when Ghaneim takes over, even this consolation might be gone."
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Re:The failed Arab states to come 11 Months ago Karma: 1  
Sometimes it seems as if the Gulf States may avoid the status of failed states that apparently will befall certain other ME Islamic entities.

www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1254...t/JPArticle/ShowFull

The article fails to discuss the role proactive Gulf States could take in Arab areas of Palestine. This would be financial, and could include support for Muslim peacekeepers (Egyptians? Turks?) to be stationed in the Arab territories.
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Virtue campaign 11 Months ago Karma: 1  
It is not difficult to understand why Arabs wish to destroy Israel. While Arab entities in the vicinity of Israel insist on dumbing down their citizenry to the level of bomb-making barbarians, Israelis continue to educate their children. Consequently, Israel prospers to the embarrassment of its neighbors.

We learn today that a woman became the 9th Israeli to receive a Nobel. Meanwhile, Arab women in Palestine are banned from the back seats of motorcycles.

haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1119436.html
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Re:Virtue campaign 10 Months, 4 Weeks ago Karma: 5  
Jim the Moron wrote:
It is not difficult to understand why Arabs wish to destroy Israel. While Arab entities in the vicinity of Israel insist on dumbing down their citizenry to the level of bomb-making barbarians, Israelis continue to educate their children. Consequently, Israel prospers to the embarrassment of its neighbors.

We learn today that a woman became the 9th Israeli to receive a Nobel. Meanwhile, Arab women in Palestine are banned from the back seats of motorcycles.

haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1119436.html



You are indefatigable in placing the Israelis up on a pedistal whilst heaping scorn on the Arabs. Clearly you see the former as high acheivers capable of doing no wrong and the latter as a bunch of born losers who never seem to do anything right.

Once upon a time, historically not long ago, there was a movement in central Europe whose ideaologues also noticed the same energetic difference between their own crowd and the lesser attainments of other nationalities. From this they drew the conclusion that the peoples of lesser attsainment were destined to make way for those of greater acheivements. The "barbarians" to be displaced by the more civilised. This was a creed that had no time for losers admiring only strength. What grew out of that was Hitler's drive for future living space at the expense of Slavonic neighbours to the east of Germany; the whole tradegy of World War Two.

Do you find that morally repugnant Jim? You have never openly declared Arabs to be racially inferior to Jews (the way the Nazis defined non-Germanic peoples) yet your apparent supposition that all right lies on the side of the Israelis because they are a more laudable bunch (by your standards) comes dangerously close to the ethnocentric conceit of old style German national socialism.

Beware!
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Re:Virtue campaign 10 Months, 4 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
No, actually it's rather basic. Israel has survived and prospered for 60 years in spite of the activities of barbarians wishing to destroy her. It is not my fault that some Muslims choose to support "death to Israel" rhetoric. That's their business; Israelis, not surprisingly, reject such rhetoric.

Hitler? Not a very nice fellow, was he?
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We hardly knew ye 10 Months, 1 Week ago Karma: 1  
Anwar al-Sadat and Mustafa Kemal, that is.

Once beacons of reason in the stormy sea of retrogressive Islamic fundamentalism, Egypt and Turkey are now going down the path from which return is problematic. They will be welcomed with open arms by those praying to Allah for death to Israel, and ultimately, for death to all non-believers.

cgis.jpost.com/Blogs/warpedmirror/entry/...s_will_change_posted
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Re:We hardly knew ye 6 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
More support for the link posted above -

www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=168176

Doesn't bode well for any future effort on the part of Arabs to bring pressure on the Arabs squatting in Palestine. But then, what can be expected of folks who riot over cartoons and the use of "Allah" by non-Muslims -

www.slate.com/id/2244045/
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Arab pressure on Iran? 6 Months, 2 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE61D0EF20100214

Arabs aren't going to exert pressure on anyone - got that? There would now be a state in Palestine for Arabs had Arab entities funded and otherwise encouraged peace-seeking elements there. Likewise, there will be no unified Arab front against Iran. It is not in the interests of Muslim theocratic leadership in west Asia to seek peace, regardless of the desires of the Muslim people there.
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Re:Envoy Biden 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago Karma: 1  
When faith becomes a whore in the hands of ambitious person or group of people we witness such farcical comedies or sometimes tragedies in such societies.Ever since its formation or inception Islam was hijacked by gentiles whose inferiority complex drove them to kill their sophisticated cousins jews.During its nascent stage it was surrounded by two cosmopolitan and advanced empire persia and eastern roman empire both these empires nourished and took care of their cousins jews.I sometimes wonder why jews disown their cousins (arabs) merely on ground of faith!The political Islam did not have the potential to become a political system.It was a faith system to redirect faithful's attention to one deity.It flourished only when so long as it stuck to its basic theme but the moment its members started harbouring designs as to give it political colouring it lost its appeal and lustre.The modern states were crafted either by French or British after the dismemberment of Ottoman empire.They had a chance to establish their political systems modelled on democratic norms but they failed !Their political and religious leaders had tribal and clanish mentality so they misinterpreted Jihad and forced their people to fight against their cousins jews.These upstarts lacked in the spirit and attitude of Turks who helped jews settle down in their ancestral land Israel.The failure of all arab states is inevitable and imminent.
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